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Paul McCartney
Rolling Stone Twentieth Anniversary Issue - Nov.5-Dec.10, 1987
Excerpts from Interview by Anthony DeCurtis
".....(Q): In terms of your regard for the Beatles' work, how did you feel about the use of "Revolution" in a Nike commercial?
(PM): I was not pleased with that, because the Beatles never did any of that. We were offered everything. We were offered Disney, Coca-Cola, the hugest deals in Christendom and beyond. And we never took them, because we thought,
"Nah, kind of cheapens it." It cheapens you to go on a commercial, I think. The trouble is that our management at the time was not farsighted enough. Our management never had enough foresight to say, "We'll renegotiate the record contract after three years." When you did a deal in those days, it was, like, fifteen years. We said, "We won't be alive then. What do you mean?" The year 1987 was forever away. But, of course, you stick around long enough and it arrives.
(Q): Since you've worked with Michael Jackson, and he owns rights to most of the Beatles song catalog, would you say something to him about it?
(PM): I really would not know what to say. I mean, we worked, and we had a nice relationship, but Michael's the kind of guy who picks brains. We worked together - I don't think he'd even had the cosmetics then. In fact, I know he hadn't because I've got photos of me and him at our house, and he looks quite different. He's had a lot of facial surgery since then, as I think most people on the planet know. He actually told me he was going to a religious retreat - and I believed him. But he came out of that religious retreat with a smashing new nose. The power of prayer, I guess. But the thing is, we did talk. I gave him a lot of advice, and you know, a fish gets caught by opening its mouth. I advised him to go into publishing. And as a joke, he looked at me and he said [imitates Michael Jackson's voice], "I'm going to buy your songs one day." And I just said, "Great, good joke." I really treated it as a joke. And I just couldn't believe it, you know, someone rang me up one day and said, "Michael's bought your..." "What?!!" So you know, I haven't spoken to him since. I think he thinks it's just business. I think it's slightly dodgy to do things like that - to be someone's friend and then to buy the rug they're standing on.
(Q):Couldn't you have bid on the Beatles songs at that time?
(PM):Well, there was a complication with me and Yoko. Yoko thought she could get it for a bargain-basement price. I imagined a price halfway - which is what it was going for - between what she imagined and what Michael Jackson
finally paid for it. I said that she and I ought to go for it. And she said, "I can get it for..." and named a very low figure. And I said, "Oh, really?" I knew it was wrong, but what could I say? I couldn't say, "No you are wrong." I just had to say, "Oh, okay," you know? So it kind of stalled at that point. And then, without really telling anyone, he just....the joke came true.
(Q): Are you bracing yourself for other commercials?
(PM): What the hell? You know, there was a point in the Beatles where you just had to let it all go. EMI owns all the recordings anyway - we don't own any of it. Northern Songs [which published much of the Beatles' music] owned all the songs. We made fortunes for all those people, but they never came back and said, "We think we'd like to give you back half of 'Yesterday.'" Seriously, why wouldn't they do something like that after you'd earned so much for them? But I think the point about Northern Songs was that we were always cheated, and I don't care who likes or dislikes that statement. From the word go, our songs were always "Lennon-McCartney." That could have been altered somewhere along the line, but it never was. So even a totally self-written song like "Yesterday," which John had nothing to do with - only I played on the record, it was me and a string quartet - there you start to think, "Well, maybe I've got a tiny right to....something." Civil rights, maybe, or...human rights? Isn't there one piddling little right I can claim? But there isn't. I don't have any rights whatsoever. I just get a tip. But I get a handsome tip, and I have to be happy with that. But it does have strange little quirks. For instance, there's one that has just come up. In publishing in America, you have renewals; we don't have them here. After twenty-seven years - and believe it or not, twenty-seven years for some of the Beatles songs is imminent - you as a composer get the chance either to go with this publisher again or not. And so John's renewals will all be coming up, and Yoko can get the rights back. But my renewals don't come up, because I'm still alive and we signed our renewal rights away for life. So, pretty soon, I think Yoko will own more of "Yesterday" than I will.
(Q): Are you talking with Yoko about it?
(PM): Like, what can I say? All I can say is "You'll have more of our songs than I do pretty soon." The reason I mentioned "Yesterday" is because I wrote that song, but it was our deal that we'd split everything down the middle. So that is one particular case in point, and it just happens to be the most covered song in history. But you know what? Having said all this - it's great to get it off my chest - I really don't care. I've done great, and it's just churlish to...I mean, it niggles a little bit, but generally I just think, "Aw, come on, I was part of this fabulous thing. I wrote those things. I was there with John while we did them all." So what the hell, I gave a bit too much of it away. Big deal. I can live with that and still sleep at night...."
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