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The Interview given here is from the book, Six Nations of New York: The 1892 United States Extra Census Bulletin [Documents in American Social History] by Robert W. Venables
At the Tuscarora reservation north of Buffalo, near Lewiston in Niagara County, the Whipple Committee questioned Iroquois Chief Ta-wer-da-quoit (Two Boots Standing Together) aka Luther W. Jack, regarding the political structure of the Tuscarora Nation and the Confederacy as a whole.
The counsel for the committee, Judge 0. S. Vreeland, began:
Q. What is your age?
A. Twenty-nine.
Q. You are a Tuscarora Indian?
A. Tuscarora Indian.
Q. Born on this reservation, were you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you a family?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Wife and children?
A. No wife.
Q. No children?
A. No children.
Q. You are one of the chiefs of the nation?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What are the duties of the chiefs, what do they do?
A. They regulate the nation?
Q. They are the government of the nation?
A. Yes, sir, they are the government of the nation.
Q. To which clan do you belong?
A. Wolf
Q. How long have you been a chief?
A. Fifteen years.
Q. Then you were how old when you were chosen chief?
A. About thirteen.
Q. About thirteen when you were chosen chief?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You don't have to be 21 years of age, or 18 to be a chief?
A. No, but I never acted until I was 21.
Q. Until you were 21?
A. No, until after, until the last five years or so off and on, the last two winters regular.
Q. When did you have a right to act, when you were 21? What is the age of the majority [that is, no longer a minor] of your nation, 18 or 21?
A. Well, we have no regulation about that, but it is by the chiefs, if they see fit to have a man under 21 act, they let him act.
Q. The chiefs have control of that?
A. The chiefs have the control of that.
Q. You began to act when the chiefs allowed you to?
A. No, I began to act when I thought I was fit for it.
Q. How did you get to be a chief?
A. Well, they choose by my clan, by the women of my clan.
Q. The women of your clan chose you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many women belong to your clan?
A. Well, at the time they chose me, I could not recollect. I don't remember.
Q. Mr. [Barnet H.] Davis [committee member]. Don't the men choose the chiefs?
A. No.
Q. Judge Vreeland: The women choose the chiefs?
A. Yes, the women choose the chiefs; the women of my clan.
Q. Do they meet together somewhere, these ladies?
A. Yes, sir. They meet together.
Q. And vote?
A. Yes, sir. They vote.
Q. And they chose you?
A. Yes, sir. And after they chose me they referred to the chiefs in council for adoption, for approval.
Q. After they appointed you then it was referred to the chiefs?
A. To the chiefs for approval.
Q. And they approved it?
A. They approved it.
Q. Would they have a right to disapprove it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. If the chiefs didn't want you they could say so, and then you could not be a chief?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Then someone would have to be picked out, somebody else?
A. Yes, sir. Then it would be referred back to the women to reconsider about it.
Q. When you were chosen, was there somebody else that wanted to be chief besides you?
A. I don't know. I was not there.
Q. Mr. Davis (again): Wouldn't you like to be a citizen?
A. I am a citizen now of the nation here. That is, the Tuscarora Nation.
Q. Wouldn't you like to vote?
A. No, I wouldn't like to vote.
Q. Mr. Whipple: Would you like to become a citizen, if it was so fixed that you would not be taxed, and you could not alienate your land-could not get rid of it, and then have the right to vote?
A. No, I don't think that...
Q. Don't think that would be a good thing?
A. No. There will be some scheme in regard to it, and in few years we would be compelled to pay taxes.
Q. Judge Vreeland: Is your objection to becoming a (U.S.) citizen, for fear of some scheme by which you will be taxed or your land sold or something of that kind?
A. Well, as soon as we become citizens the land will be divided, and by so doing I think there is a curse to the nation.
Q. You don't think the land ought to be divided?
A. No. I don't think it ought to.
Q. What objection would you have to dividing the land, giving every man his fair share, and fix it so he could not sell it?
A. Well, the nation, it seems to me, is contented as they are, and then I was to say about dividing the lands; I don't think it would be fair for us. It will amount to about twelve acres apiece; divided up into twelve-acre lots, about 408 shares, and we have got to have outlets to it, and there will roads all over it, it will be all roads.
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